Solar Max wrote:
I've heard the unfair trade practises stuff before, Solar. But the thing to do then is fight unfair trade practises, instead of propping up companies that lose billions of dollars a year.
So get it done, Government loving Import boy.
GM, Ford and Chrysler don't write laws regarding trade practices; your elected criminals do. For years the manufacturers here told the government about Japan's artificial lowering of their currency values (pretending to be in a 14 year long recession, for example) the dumping of product here below cost, the inability of North American goods (not just autos) to enter the closed Japanese markets, the payment in full of Toyota's Synergy drive by the Japanese government (while Ford and GM had to pay for their own Hybrid systems), and the attack on our electronics industry by the Japanese in the 70s and 80s. How many North American TVs have you seen made here for the last 30 years? Zero.
Here it is for you, Gerry: you don't know your facts, you only know your own unassailable views. Putting 5 million people out of work may seem like poop and giggles to you, but to a reeling North American economy, it's a death blow.
Do some research before you go run off at the mouth next time, please.
If the heads of GM, Chrysler, and Ford cannot get the US government to see their side in all of this, what am I to do, Lawrence? I mean, there are trade laws and anti-dumping regulations that could be used if the case you make is accurate. The US would certainly have an incentive to see that their manufacturers have a fair market for their goods. The US government has also put big dollars into research such as the hydrogen fuel cells, which has gone nowhere, but the big 3 ate that money up regardless.
And, why can the big 3 not build what people are buying? When gas was cheap they cranked out the pickups and the vans and the SUVs, but people also wanted and bought the smaller products from the Japanese and German makers. Detroit seems to be incapable of building a Civic or Rabbit or Fit. Those cars fit the world market much better than an Escalade, don't they? But, the perception is that the US makers can't or won't build those cars. Whose fault is that?
Now, I'll admit that I don't keep up with the auto industry to the degree that you do, but I'm not ignorant, nor am I "Import Boy", whatever that means. You know better. I also don't feel the need to do any research to basically come up with excuses for why the big 3 can't stay viable. The bottom line is that they can't because they aren't doing it, whatever the reason. How much money does GM lose every quarter, anyway? And that was before the current economic situation.
I've pretty much always had GM products, with the odd Ford thrown in. My wife likes VWs and I don't begrudge her that. They make very good small cars, better IMO than anything the US makers produce in that size.
Bottom line, I don't see the value in propping up companies that will only need more taxpayer dollars in less than a year. What's going to change in that time that they will suddenly become profitable, or even viable?
I know that you are passionate about this subject, Lawrence. For the most part, if you're arguing with me, I'll see your side in this more than most people would, so insulting me won't do you any good. If GM can make money selling a good pickup at $35K and a Jap truck of equal quality is $33K, I'll still buy the GM, for a few reasons. Most people wouldn't, and you know that.